Dec 11, 2018
My guest is Jack Nasher and he is the founder of the Nasher Negotiation Institute. He's a leading negotiation expert and one of the world’s best-known experts on deception detection. He went to Oxford and was the youngest appointee to get a full professorship at the esteemed Munich Business School at the age of 31. He's also now a visiting faculty member at Stanford University. Listen To The Podcast: He applies his passions for reading people in a number of ways, and now also performs as a mentalist at the world-renowned Magic Castle in Hollywood. He's got a new book out. It's called Convinced: How to Prove Your Competence and Win People Over. We're going to talk about the book, some of his adventures, and most importantly dig into some strategies to help reinforce that you are confident, you're ready, you're worth listening to. So, let's get to this. RESOURCES: Convinced!: How to Prove Your Competence & Win People Over Book INTERVIEW: Jack. Welcome to DREAM THINK DO, buddy. Thank you very much. Thanks a lot. With that intro, I don't even have to say anything. It's done. We're already done. Thanks so much for being on the show, Jack. Yeah, that was good. Alright. I so want to get into the content of the book because it's awesome, but you're a negotiation expert, you are a reader of people, a mentalist. Is this something you've always been drawn to? Were you doing this kind of stuff when you were a kid? Well, yeah. I mean, it's a skillset. It's not that I was born with some ability. I wish I were you know? Some aliens kidnapped me and gave me this, but it didn't happen. You know, when I was a kid I loved magic. I had a magic set, and I would perform at children's birthday parties, weddings, and all of that. Then when I studied psychology I found that there is a different sort of magic and yes, it's called mentalism, and that's kind of mixing magic with psychology. So, basically it's using your five known senses to create the illusion of a sixth sense to be able to read minds, to know what people are thinking, and it's very interesting to see, you know, what you can actually do. How can you influence people? And I do that on stage, I do that in Hollywood, I do that for various functions and events. It's fun. It's just the other side of psychology. Right. I mean, it is a fun application for a lot of serious science and psychology here. Well, to be honest, it's actually more honest negotiations because at least you tell them at the beginning that you're going to deceive them. Negotiations are not like that. That's a great way to look at it. Yeah. In a negotiation, of course, you want to get the max and you don't want people to find out that you used psychological tactics and techniques, which you sometimes do, but it's always up to my clients what they want to use. I'm like a doctor. I'm just telling you what's possible and it's up to you to decide what treatment you want. Yeah. Absolutely. And, I mean, to have the moniker of deception detection. Tell me more about that. How does that work for you? Well, yeah, it's interesting because actually, the reason why I got into that many years ago was that I was quite naïve you know? I believed stuff. Yeah. And so I thought, "I've got to do something against that." You know? Because I always felt that people could easily take advantage of me. Even though I studied psychology I never heard of any studies concerning deception detection, but then as I looked into that, actually there were hundreds of studies. Paul Ekman is the only one you kind of know, Microexpression, you've probably heard of it. And there was a great TV show “Lie to Me” on Fox with Tim Roth. Great show and there is a lot of scientific stuff going on that people don't know about. I read everything about it for a year you know? I kind of made notes for myself, and then I had so many notes and I kind of wrote a handbook for myself and I n...